ATF’s New DEVASTATING Proposed Rule on Background Checks for Fictitious Entity NFA Applications

By Joshua Prince, Esq.

As readers of this blog are aware (thanks to the tireless effort of Attorney Tom Odom of our firm), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has published an intent to enter into rulemaking in relation to “(1) add a definition for the term “responsible person”; (2) require each responsible person of a corporation, trust or legal entity to complete a specified form, and to submit photographs and fingerprints; (3) require that a copy of all applications to make or transfer a firearm be forwarded to the chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) of the locality in which the maker or transferee is located; and (4) eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by the CLEO. ” Unfortunately, we just obtained a copy of the 62 page proposal and the above statement is a false depiction of the actual proposal, as everyone was made to believe that the CLEO signature requirement would be eliminated in exchange for additional regulations on fictitious entities. As is explained below and will be further explained in future blog articles, the ATF will NOT be eliminating the CLEO requirement and instead IMPOSING it on ALL entities.

You can obtain a copy of the proposal here.

As the proposal states (starting on page 9 of the proposal), on December 3, 2009, the ATF received a petition for rulemaking from the National Firearms Act Trade and Collectors Association (NFATCA). “The NFATCA expressed concern that persons who are prohibited by law from possessing or receiving firearms may acquire NFA firearms through the establishment of legal entities such as a corporation, trust, or partnership.” It goes on to state “The Petitioner [NFATCA] expressed concern that an NFA firearm could be obtained by a prohibited person and used in a violent crime.” (emphasis added). And it gets worse. “Therefore, for applications for a corporation, trust, partnership, or other legal entity to make or receive an NFA firearms, petitioner has requested amendments to §§ 479.63 and 479.85 to require photographs and fingerprint cards for persons who are responsible for directing the management and policies of the entity, so that a background check of the individual may be conducted.” (emphasis added).

The ATF responds to this concern by stating that it agrees with the NFATCA’s concern and that further regulation is necessary. The ATF then goes on to state of a single alleged instance where an individual applied for a silencer, was denied, and then, again allegedly, applied again in the name of a trust, wherein the individual was settlor of the trust, which the ATF recognized and denied. (It must be noted that the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in US v. Miller, 588 F.3d 418, specifically held that a trust was a PROPER legal entity for holding a firearm, where the settlor was prohibited, provided proper safeguards were included in the trust to ensure that the prohibited individual did NOT possess the firearm).

The NFATCA’s petition also sought the incorporation of the Certification of Citizenship into the existing NFA Application Forms, instead of as a separate form. (See page 11-12). The ATF agrees with this and is seeking to incorporate the ATF Form 5330.20 into the existing forms.

And it gets worse. “The NFATCA requests that the instructions on applications to make or transfer a firearm be revised so that they are consistent with those on a Form 7 (5310.12), Application for Federal Firearms License.” This means that the NFATCA requested the implementation of responsible persons for purposes of applications in the name of fictitious entities. And much to everyone’s surprise (sarcasm), the ATF agrees!

In relation to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature requirement, “the petitioner requests that the law enforcement certification requirement be eliminated and that ATF ‘adopt a CLEO [chief law enforcement officer] process include a full NICS  [National Instant Check System] check for principal officers of a trust or corporation receiving such firearms for the trust or corporation.'” (See page 12-17)  ATF’s response? “ATF does not propose to eliminate the CLEO certificate requirement at this time.” (See page 14). It continues to get worse – “Rather, ATF proposes extending the CLEO certificate requirement to responsible persons of a legal entity.” Guess what, under this proposal, EVERYONE will require a CLEO signature!

I will be posting more as I have time to thoroughly review the proposal. This is extremely damaging to the ENTIRE NFA community. We need to take IMMEDIATE action.


Filed under ATF, Firearms Law, Gun Trusts

33 responses to “ATF’s New DEVASTATING Proposed Rule on Background Checks for Fictitious Entity NFA Applications

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  2. John

    Something has to be done. Too many criminals paying $500 to a lawyer to establish a trust, then spending $15k more to buy a machine gun, $1k more to buy a silencer, $400 more in tax stamps and waiting 8-10 months to go kill a bunch of people. Enough! We need tougher gun control! This is way too easy!


  3. ajerk

    Why do anything? BATF is the most halfassed, incompetent regulator in the federal government. Submit generic comments holding a place for a constitutional challenge and WAIT. The trust avenue wws the only thing saving the CLEO requirement from a direct constitutional attack, since no one really had or wanted standing. Now, BATF is proposing to give a whole kess of people standing to challenge the NFA on constitutional and equal protection grounds. Their immature overreach is a long term opportunity.


  4. Bob Howell

    Classic double cross by the government. The proposal is absolutely not what they had agreed to with the NFATCA.


  5. Bob Howell

    Joshua, check out the NFATCA official statement on their website confirming that they had nothing to do with the extension of the CLEO. in fact they have been working on getting it removed for a couple of years now.


    • Bob, you are correct; however, they are ignoring requests to post a copy of their petition, which doesn’t bode well. Also, the NFATCA hasn’t stated that any of the quotes in the Proposal were incorrect. I think we all need to see the Petition to be able to determine what they did or did not say. There is no doubt that they have been working for years to get the CLEO signature removed for the individual; the question is, what deal with the devil were they willing to strike to see that come to fruition.


      • Agreed! They seemed to have ‘approved’ all that the EO entails to get the CLEO portion removed. Since they didn’t get the latter they can’t claim they weren’t supporting the former. Thus why there should be no compromises. It’s ‘sold’ as having support of the pro gun group.


      • Ned

        All I’ve seen supplied responsive to a request for NFATCA’s petition was a link to a proposed rule change:
        The above link supplies none of the communication(s) between NFATCA and BATFE.
        A non-response, as I see it, although I don’t know that the person who posted it is associated in any way with the NFATCA.


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  8. John

    Simple solution: background call-in when someone wants to pick one up in the name of the entity. Simple enough!


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  10. nash

    Josh, what is the definition of a “person” in “responsible person”. Could a trust be added to another trust. And the first trust be a responsible person to the second trust?


  11. Auctorati

    I don’t have any problem with this whatsoever. If you want to be a private individual and own or use any other specifically potent, hazardous materials or devices (high explosives, industrial chemicals or gases), then you have to take extraordinary legal and financial responsibilities. Fully automatic and silenced weapons fall into that category. If you’re willing to jump through all the hoops and pay the fees, then you should be allowed to own all you want. If you can’t, then there are plenty of other guns available to you that would meet any legal necessity you have, and are readily available.


    • rosignol

      If the CLEOs were obliged to sign the authorization for someone with a clean background, or state legal cause for refusing, you would have a point. But there are jurisdictions where the CLEOs refuse to sign off, regardless of how many hoops someone jumps through.



      And the only people this proposed rule would stop are the responsible people who would never be inclined to commit a crime anyway. How does that help anyone other than the government?


  12. Tbob

    No legal class 3 weapons obtained with Federal tax stamps have ever been used in a crime. This is the best behaved class of firearm that exists.


  13. Nicholas

    How are suppressors dangerous? They actually help to make an instructing environment safer for all involved as it cuts down on the noise and individuals can hear what is being said more easily. It also makes any range time a lot safer in that ear pro may not be necessary and you can hold a conversation with those around you without having to shout. It is a great day to go to the range when it is a suppressor only day.


  14. Thank goodness Republicans would never create unneeded laws to solve nonexistent problems, like voter suppression laws to combat voter fraud.


    • john

      God forbid people have to show ID to drive, cash checks, buy alcohol/tobacco, go inside a government building, board a plane, etc…. Then we would really be suppressing people’s rights!


  15. simkatu

    I’m still wondering why I should be outraged. How is this “DEVASTATING” to anyone?



    Flood the ATF with comments that oppose the rule. You can do so at:!submitComment;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001


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